User talk:Jack90s15

/Archive 1

I removed the content removed by the IP. This content and sourcing was found wanting in May. Please do not readd w/o consensus or unless a favorable decision is reached at WP:BLPN. Thanks, -- Deepfriedokra 01:16, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK @Deepfriedokra: The Only Reason I put that Back was because it said that In the source but ok got it Jack90s15 (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jack, you undid my edit on the domed cities, I reviewed the history of the page and saw the content added was vandalism by a user named "Pulakeshi610" and the reference mentioned was redirected to a blog of an individual and the content that was added was self-promoting an individual idea. I could be wrong myself, please let me know what you think about it. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.67.177.11 (talk) 16:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have reverted my edit of the word "[W]e". The article originally read: The oath said: "we swear that we have neither committed murder, nor defiled, nor plundered. If we have brought suffering and misery on other people, it was done according to the Laws of War".

I do not have access to the reference but assume this was transcribed correctly. In order to turn the quote into two sentences a capital W has to be added. Since it was not in the original quote it needs to be in brackets.

Please revert your "correction".

Thanks

Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Twofingered Typist: Thank you for Explaining that I put the brackets back inJack90s15 (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted material summarizing civilian war dead, it is part of 26.6 million total--Woogie10w (talk) 17:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Woogie10w: I was thinking what if we keep three Bullet points and have it Focus on summarizing military dead that way it would make the reader want to read the rest of the page or at least look at part of it your thoughts on that?Jack90s15 (talk) 17:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The post-Soviet government of Russia puts the Soviet war 'losses' at 26.6 million, Take out your calculator and add the numbers in that summary. 9.168+2.164+.994+.212+7.420+4.100+1.000+.300+1.3=26.6 million The article covers military as well as civilian losses. This is the summary, part of the lead.--Woogie10w (talk) 17:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] Jack I am retired now. I worked for 37 years as an internal accountant preparing financial statements and reconciling cash accounts--Woogie10w (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Woogie10w: I Can see now havi ng that can help the Reader with the page when summarizing both death tolls. I thought mine would work yours was much better on summarizing the full page. I Thank you for putting that back that Can help with it be coming a Ga article.Jack90s15 (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] The 500,000 are a demographic loss for the Soviet military. They are part of the total war dead even though they were not in the ranks. Anyway they have to be counted in the total, we can't ignore them.--Woogie10w (talk) 20:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Woogie10w: OK I get that in the book it said they were captured but did not specify that they were killed the extra 500kJack90s15 (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] You can verify the civilian numbers, my Russian is OK put not native, so I use Google translate. The 2001 edition of Krivosheev is online [1] Go to section Потери гражданского населения see table 118. Сведения о числе жертв среди гражданского населения СССР в период оккупации Those are the official Russian numbers--Woogie10w (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2019 ,(UTC) Jack, note well Krivosheev deducts 939,700. In reality that is an addition of the 267,000 died of sickness less the deduction of 994,300 convicts and 212,400 deserters. The 4,559,000 MIA plus the 500,000 reservists less 1,836,000 returned to the USSR is a loss of 3,223,000 POW and MIA the figure cited in western sources--Woogie10w (talk) 21:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] I checked Krivosheev's numbers. On pages 164-207 the Army and fleet totals are listed, KIA 5,184,749. Non combat 534,273 and 4,452,346 missing. Add Border troops 159,100 and reservists 500,000. On page 89 hospital deaths were 1,371,504. That adds down to 12,201,982. Deduct 1,836,000 returned to the USSR. Irreplaceable losses were 10,365,982. Krivosheev deducted the convicts and deserters from this total to arrive at the 9.168K. --Woogie10w (talk) 21:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• That is a good observation of Krivosheev'Jack90s15 (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Woogie10w: they are correct I Cross-referenced it with the Russian ministry of defense they use the same chart they match the numbers that are used on the page.Jack90s15 (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I have been using this Translatiartivon tool that is free and can translate up to 5,000 worlds https://www.deepl.com/translatorJack90s15 (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Woogie10w: I did not use the Document translator on that one bit I have on this one and it works https://www.onlinedoctranslator.com/en/translationformJack90s15 (talk) 21:54, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just deleted duplications and unreliable material at Sov casualties. In the past the article was protected to bring a halt of an attempt to turn the article into an attack on Krivosheev by a nasty POV pusher in Russia. If they show up again I will not hesitate to request that the article be protected.--Woogie10w (talk) 01:23, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Woogie10w: OK wow I did not know that was the person blocked?Jack90s15 (talk) 02:03, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] That was a few years ago. Putin passed a law over there to prevent criticism of the governments POV on the war. The cops will knock on their door. --Woogie10w (talk) 02:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply] O wow I did know that for real @Woogie10w:Jack90s15 (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For real!! Article 354.1 Russian Federation 3. The dissemination of publicly disrespectful infoo listenrmation about the days of military glory and memorable dates of Russia related to the defense of the Fatherland, as well as the desecration of symbols of military glory of Russia, committed in public,shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to two years, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional labor for a term of up to one year.--Woogie10w (talk) 02:58, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Woogie10w: Wow I looked it up briefly and you are right