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I removed "The cartoon dually referred to U.S. president Obama and to the recent rampage of Travis, a former chimpanzee actor." [User:Objective3000|Objective3000]] later changed "It [i.e. the cartoon] was criticized ..." to "Comparing Obama, a Black president, to a chimpanzee was criticized ..." I have the same objection as I made in my edit summary: this is wikivoiced CNN speculation that the cartoon was about Mr Obama, though the cartoonist had told CNN "It's absolutely friggin ridiculous." Any other opinions? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There were many mentions about this in the news.
[1][2][3][4] and many more. Murdoch felt a need for an apology. The qualifications in that apology were
WP:MANDY.
O3000, Ret. (
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18:59, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your first cite says "has been widely criticized" and then points to an earlier article where e.g. a politician says the Post should clarify after hearing about Sharpton's remarks; your second cite says "appeared to compare"; your third cite says "some have interpreted as comparing" and quotes Sharpton; your fourth cite says "Many critics said", etc. You decided that mush merits wikivoicing something which cannot be established except by telepathy. It's plausible that one of the policemen is suggesting the bill could have been written by a chimpanzee; Mr Obama did not write the bill.
Peter Gulutzan (
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13:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course the president didn't personally write the bill. The cartoon caption was "They'll have to find someone else to write the next
stimulus bill. Follow the link and Obama is mentioned 22 times. The officer shoots a chimpanzee suggesting that the chimpanzee wrote the bill pushed by the first Black president. Murdoch apologized for the cartoon and Sean Delonas, the Post cartoonist responsible for the monkey image, has frequently been accused of bigotry.
[5] O3000, Ret. (
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14:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for other opinions, i.e. other than mine and Objective3000's. Are there any?
Peter Gulutzan (
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12:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you really need one, yes, the reason why the story is noteworthy at all and even Murdoch felt like he needed to apologize was the universally understood implication that the chimpanzee was a stand-in for Obama, which echoed the historical stereotypical depiction of black people as ape-like. Maybe some clarification which outlets or columnists specifically made the accusation would be helpful, but the condemnation was near-universal that its almost besides the point. This isnt a case of a single person voicing their objections, it was a huge story (in media circles) at the time. —
jonas (
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20:01, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was not "universally understood" and Mr Murdoch did not say the chimp was supposed to be a "stand-in" for Mr Obama. However, I acknowledge that O3000 has support now.
Peter Gulutzan (
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20:03, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are there guidelines for how frequently the non-free images of newspaper covers should be updated in articles? The current one is over 3 years old and fairly generic, picking a more recent or iconic/important cover (maybe from the Trump reelection or Zohran victory, which generated quite a lot of buzz) would be more appropriate. Since the old covers get deleted there shouldn't be much of an issue replacing them with a more recent one using the same usage rationale, right? — jonas (talk) 20:06, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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